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saadn92 2 hours ago [-]
This is just the amount we know about. How about all the stuff we don’t know?
einszwei 1 hours ago [-]
Double if you include the family
vasco 2 hours ago [-]
Self defeating question, if we don't know about it we don't know.
helloplanets 54 minutes ago [-]
Rhetorical question, not really self defeating.
ubern00dle 2 hours ago [-]
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mo7061 2 hours ago [-]
When the leader of a political party is misaligned with the total social benefit to the society, the story as old as stories themselves
ubern00dle 2 hours ago [-]
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optimisticedits 1 hours ago [-]
Trump is single handedly doing all of the things, with nobody backing or should I say black-mailing him.
I think he wrote all of those executive orders that he signed on his first week too.
This orange guy is so bad, it's all his fault that everything is happening. Let's keep focusing on the orange lightning rod.
tyrabound 2 hours ago [-]
It’s astonishing how America has been led to this point where a certified con artist frauds is in charge of the world empire of lies. The only real silver lining seems to be that he is ending his vile and pathetic life of fraud and criminality and abuse by exposing his putrid character as he is unraveling America in a likely irreversible way.
President Genocidal Rapist Pederast Rug Pull, the last President of the fake American empire of lies, the emperor with no clothes, exposing his vile and disgusting true self.
Is really rather epic, like a story one would imagine has been made up about a historical figure if we hadn’t witnessed it all unfold in real time.
gadders 2 hours ago [-]
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infinitezest 1 hours ago [-]
If sarcasm, this is very funny.
spiderfarmer 1 hours ago [-]
After 6 years of this drama I fail to see the fun in sarcastic comments that remind me of Poe’s law.
spiderfarmer 2 hours ago [-]
I would love to hear from HN republicans why they think this amount of self enrichment and corruption is okay.
Add to this all the paid-for pardons, the shady stock trades, the never ending vacations at his own properties, the plane deal and much, much more.
No whataboutisms or anonymous downvotes, I’m genuinely curious why people continue to support him.
K0balt 1 hours ago [-]
Ultimately, in a democracy, legitimacy really boils down to how much people are willing to tolerate, and that’s a very malleable metric, adjusted through fear, greed, hope, and all of the deceptions as well as legitimate plans that contribute to those motivations.
The people that I know that support him tend to have simplistic worldviews, and largely see him as a wrecking ball destroying what they were previously dissatisfied with. I suppose that’s not too far off, actually. It’s kind of like “giant meteorite for 2028” vibes, except they mean it.
Notably, the only people who wish for a political devolution are ones who haven’t lived through one. This doesn’t end well.
hermannj314 2 hours ago [-]
I living in a Republican part of the country, I think they believe power is its own morality.
A God that murders people because his feelings got hurt while demanding no one murder, a husband beats his wife and kids because he wasn't respected - these are valid in their moral framework, cruel asymmetrical power structures.
There is a dominant race, a dominant gender, and a dominant country in their view. Laws exist only to control the weak.
These people love Trump because he represents the slave owning, male-dominated, terrorist rebels that form the myth of who we are as a nation. His corruption and enrichment is why they love him.
StevePrefontain 1 hours ago [-]
Trump is almost amoral. It’s why he can’t understand at a basic level why his corruption would even be considered a scandal at all. In his mind, of course I’m using the presidency to enrich myself, my family, and my friends; that’s the whole point of gaining power. Of course I’m selling presidential pardons for cash, what’s the point of getting access to that power if I don’t sell my access to it.
spiderfarmer 1 hours ago [-]
I noticed the same patterns in my religious family. I live in a largely secular country, and the only people I know who talk down on “other people” all claim to be religious.
rplnt 2 hours ago [-]
People are really bad at acknowledging a mistake so they rather double down. It's way past anything rational, it's a cult. Doesn't matter what the leader/party does, it's always okay.
Abekkus 2 hours ago [-]
Ape-brained tribalism. Apparently many humans just operate without standards & principles, whether from incompetence or personal benefit. Good luck fixing that.
sajithdilshan 2 hours ago [-]
Let's say we got rid of Trump, but then who is going to be the alternative in your opinion?
jansport123 2 hours ago [-]
how about anyone else with an ounce of integrity?
gadders 2 hours ago [-]
Lol. Who was the last president with integrity?
vincnetas 2 hours ago [-]
*more integrity. that would make anyone i guess more qualified
throw0101a 54 minutes ago [-]
> Who was the last president with integrity?
Integrity not to burn down the system and/or enrich themselves? All of them: Biden, Obama, Bush43, Clinton, Bush41, etc (maybe Nixon the least). If Hillary Clinton or Harris would were elected they would have been as well.
You may be disagree with their policies, and think perhaps they're helping certain special interest groups, but has anyone tried to enrich themselves while in office (versus book deals and speaking fees once they're out)?
gadders 30 minutes ago [-]
The question was about integrity, not enrichment.
andyjohnson0 2 hours ago [-]
> Let's say we got rid of Trump, but then who is going to be the alternative in your opinion?
You seem to be using the "they're all as bad as eachother" argument. But previous US presidents haven't used their office for enrichment on this scale - and so it seems likely that there are alternative potential presidents who would behave with integrity and dignity.
sajithdilshan 1 hours ago [-]
> "they're all as bad as eachother"
But isn't that the case? They are all as bad and corrupt in their own merit. Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?
throw0101a 48 minutes ago [-]
> But isn't that the case?
No.
Has any other president fired the the FBI directory because he wouldn't swear personal loyalty to him (like Trump did Comey)? Did any other president try to do a (self) coup?
You may disagree with their policies (and even values), but would have anyone else tried to do an end-run around the Constitution? Pence went through with the 2020 election certification even when people were literally calling him for to be lynched.
The Boeing wag given to the US government. Not to Trump personally. It's stated explicitly in the wikipedia link you provided.
> Any Democratic candidate, including Harris and Clinton. With GOPers: Pence, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, DeSantis, etc.
So you're fine with any other crook, but not Trump. Got it.
Further, wikipedia is not a credible source link in-case you didn't know. Anyone can edit the pages there and somethings are verified and sometime once could even make up facts and link to fake articles.
sph 2 hours ago [-]
I read you argue in favour of far-right German anti-immigration politics a few days ago, in which you admitted living in .de, now you're saying that there is no one better than Trump for US citizens?
How would you know and why would you have such a strong opinion?
Do you also happen to astroturf rightoid politics on Twitter by any chance? I heard it's a common pastime.
sajithdilshan 1 hours ago [-]
you seemed so obsessed with me. I simply asked a question. Also I'm entitled to have my opinions. I don't even know what astroturf rightoid means.
Also your framing of "I read you argue in favour of far-right German anti-immigration politics a few days ago" intended to discredit my question, like would it be valid only the questions came from far-left antifa supporters?
spiderfarmer 1 hours ago [-]
I specifically requested no whataboutisms.
sajithdilshan 1 hours ago [-]
There is no whataboutisms in my reply
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vincnetas 2 hours ago [-]
another candidate that has expressed willingness to lead. Kamala Harris for example.
sajithdilshan 1 hours ago [-]
Kamala Harris? you have to be kidding
spiderfarmer 1 hours ago [-]
As a European, I’d say Bernie Sanders would be your best candidate.
But anyone with a decent amount of dignity, humility, empathy and confidence will do.
sajithdilshan 1 hours ago [-]
> But anyone with a decent amount of dignity, humility, empathy and confidence will do.
Is that enough though? That's more like saying running a country based on vibes. One could argue that a person needs strong leadership, someone putting national interest above else and work for the interest of the people that elected the person.
If you think about it the president or any other elected person, their whole job is to serve people. Do what the people voted that person to do by putting aside all personal preferences, belief and ideologies. In that regards, I wonder dignity, humility, empathy would have anything to do with governing
KellyCriterion 7 minutes ago [-]
+1 for Bernie Sanders!
schnika 2 hours ago [-]
You forgot to mention the Epstein files
KellyCriterion 6 minutes ago [-]
Its really interesting how he was able NOT to stumble upon these! My high-stake bet still is: All of the "major people around a distinct circle" are highly involved, meaning: Lot of politicians/gov people etc.
They will try to resist until last breath to not disclose them.
Why more Gov people and not Billionaires: While a few Bilns maybe amongst there, the thing is as Billionaire you can already affort anything everybody wants, but a Gov person cant do that, even if the person is rich/wealthy
exceptione 2 hours ago [-]
I think any HN'er who previously voted republican has experienced enough disappointment; I doubt there would be anyone left.
The most important point for every political faction however is to realize that the problems aren't solved when the current president steps down. The real power that pushes the agenda rest in the hands of a loosely connected network of 'think tanks', religious organizations, tech billionaires and media moguls. They are hidden from the public discourse, simply because they are able to manage it, and as such are a formidable opponent.
dmm 2 hours ago [-]
> whataboutisms
Not a Trump supporter but from the ones I've spoken to it's mostly this. Something like, "They all do it, he's just honest about it."
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gadders 2 hours ago [-]
I don't think it's OK, but it's semi-understandable given the lawfare undertaken by Democrats after his first term.
I would say that despite whatever pardons (which I believe can only be federal, not state?), he pro-actively gives himself and colleagues, family etc when he leaves office he will be spending the rest of his life fighting spurious court case after court case, none of which will be cheap.
In that regard, having massive personal wealth makes some kind of sense.
//edit// deleted the alleged "Whataboutism"
drcongo 1 hours ago [-]
> No whataboutisms
Couldn't even follow the ask in your first sentence.
gadders 31 minutes ago [-]
That's only the last sentence, and I've deleted it for you. Why not engage with the thrust of the argument?
optimisticedits 1 hours ago [-]
What about, how the ask is completely nonsensical and incoherent?
It also came with a request for no-downvotes... What's next? A request for only responses that agree with me?
Here's my request: Upvotes only. Please don't respond.
Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's "nonsensical and incoherent"
drcongo 1 hours ago [-]
It wasn't my post, but I read it as "please don't downvote the answers"
throw0101a 57 minutes ago [-]
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peder 2 hours ago [-]
Why are you assuming this is corruption?
16000198 2 hours ago [-]
what's wrong with that if he's making America strong? well-deserved I guess?
grim_io 2 hours ago [-]
I wonder if you are, maybe accidentally, implying that any president before has made America weaker?
I'd argue that actively trying to make enemies out of friends is in no way going to make America stronger. Quite the opposite.
infinitezest 1 hours ago [-]
You're going to have a very uphill battle making a case that he's making America stronger in any commonly held definition of the word. Partisanship is a hell of a drug, man...
jameskilton 2 hours ago [-]
Please explain / define how America is "strong" today?
arscan 1 hours ago [-]
I think fundamentally there is a difference in the definition of “America” at play here too.
I think he wrote all of those executive orders that he signed on his first week too.
This orange guy is so bad, it's all his fault that everything is happening. Let's keep focusing on the orange lightning rod.
President Genocidal Rapist Pederast Rug Pull, the last President of the fake American empire of lies, the emperor with no clothes, exposing his vile and disgusting true self.
Is really rather epic, like a story one would imagine has been made up about a historical figure if we hadn’t witnessed it all unfold in real time.
No whataboutisms or anonymous downvotes, I’m genuinely curious why people continue to support him.
The people that I know that support him tend to have simplistic worldviews, and largely see him as a wrecking ball destroying what they were previously dissatisfied with. I suppose that’s not too far off, actually. It’s kind of like “giant meteorite for 2028” vibes, except they mean it.
Notably, the only people who wish for a political devolution are ones who haven’t lived through one. This doesn’t end well.
A God that murders people because his feelings got hurt while demanding no one murder, a husband beats his wife and kids because he wasn't respected - these are valid in their moral framework, cruel asymmetrical power structures.
There is a dominant race, a dominant gender, and a dominant country in their view. Laws exist only to control the weak.
These people love Trump because he represents the slave owning, male-dominated, terrorist rebels that form the myth of who we are as a nation. His corruption and enrichment is why they love him.
Integrity not to burn down the system and/or enrich themselves? All of them: Biden, Obama, Bush43, Clinton, Bush41, etc (maybe Nixon the least). If Hillary Clinton or Harris would were elected they would have been as well.
You may be disagree with their policies, and think perhaps they're helping certain special interest groups, but has anyone tried to enrich themselves while in office (versus book deals and speaking fees once they're out)?
You seem to be using the "they're all as bad as eachother" argument. But previous US presidents haven't used their office for enrichment on this scale - and so it seems likely that there are alternative potential presidents who would behave with integrity and dignity.
But isn't that the case? They are all as bad and corrupt in their own merit. Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?
No.
Has any other president fired the the FBI directory because he wouldn't swear personal loyalty to him (like Trump did Comey)? Did any other president try to do a (self) coup?
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...
Did any other president receive hundreds of millions of dollars in value as a gift?
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_VC-25B_Bridge
> Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?
Any Democratic candidate, including Harris and Clinton. With GOPers: Pence, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, DeSantis, etc.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presiden...
You may disagree with their policies (and even values), but would have anyone else tried to do an end-run around the Constitution? Pence went through with the 2020 election certification even when people were literally calling him for to be lynched.
The Boeing wag given to the US government. Not to Trump personally. It's stated explicitly in the wikipedia link you provided.
> Any Democratic candidate, including Harris and Clinton. With GOPers: Pence, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, DeSantis, etc.
So you're fine with any other crook, but not Trump. Got it.
Further, wikipedia is not a credible source link in-case you didn't know. Anyone can edit the pages there and somethings are verified and sometime once could even make up facts and link to fake articles.
How would you know and why would you have such a strong opinion?
Do you also happen to astroturf rightoid politics on Twitter by any chance? I heard it's a common pastime.
Also your framing of "I read you argue in favour of far-right German anti-immigration politics a few days ago" intended to discredit my question, like would it be valid only the questions came from far-left antifa supporters?
But anyone with a decent amount of dignity, humility, empathy and confidence will do.
Is that enough though? That's more like saying running a country based on vibes. One could argue that a person needs strong leadership, someone putting national interest above else and work for the interest of the people that elected the person.
If you think about it the president or any other elected person, their whole job is to serve people. Do what the people voted that person to do by putting aside all personal preferences, belief and ideologies. In that regards, I wonder dignity, humility, empathy would have anything to do with governing
They will try to resist until last breath to not disclose them.
Why more Gov people and not Billionaires: While a few Bilns maybe amongst there, the thing is as Billionaire you can already affort anything everybody wants, but a Gov person cant do that, even if the person is rich/wealthy
The most important point for every political faction however is to realize that the problems aren't solved when the current president steps down. The real power that pushes the agenda rest in the hands of a loosely connected network of 'think tanks', religious organizations, tech billionaires and media moguls. They are hidden from the public discourse, simply because they are able to manage it, and as such are a formidable opponent.
Not a Trump supporter but from the ones I've spoken to it's mostly this. Something like, "They all do it, he's just honest about it."
I would say that despite whatever pardons (which I believe can only be federal, not state?), he pro-actively gives himself and colleagues, family etc when he leaves office he will be spending the rest of his life fighting spurious court case after court case, none of which will be cheap.
In that regard, having massive personal wealth makes some kind of sense.
//edit// deleted the alleged "Whataboutism"
Couldn't even follow the ask in your first sentence.
It also came with a request for no-downvotes... What's next? A request for only responses that agree with me?
Here's my request: Upvotes only. Please don't respond.
Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's "nonsensical and incoherent"
I'd argue that actively trying to make enemies out of friends is in no way going to make America stronger. Quite the opposite.